Whether you’re on a deep dive into the Kibbe system to figure out your type, or the kibbe body typing system has mildly piqued your interest, I have some good news for you.
This kibbe body test with pictures will make it much easier. Now, it’s still going to take some effort on your part. So before we begin let’s go over what you need to make this test successful.
First, you need to know what you are testing for….
What is the kibbe body type system?
The Kibbe body type system is a body shape system that was developed by David Kibbe in the 1980s that focused on five main categories: Dramatic, Classic, Natural, Gamine, and Romantic. It evaluates the balance of your yang (sharp, angular) and yin (soft, rounded) features.
If this sounds new to you, then start here, with the 13 kibbe body types and their distinct elements. And I’m not going to lie, it’s a lot of information to digest, so take your time, pin the post, and refer back to it.
What do I need to figure out my kibbe body type?
I compiled this quiz (based on the original by David Kibbe), but it is not a mathematical formula. And David Kibbe has now said not to use a quiz to figure out your type and the only way to be “properly id’ed” is to book an in-person consultation with him. Well…. that’s not always a possibility, let’s be honest. And I do think the kibbe test works for some or at least can help you narrow down your type.
Kibbe Type Test Preparations
- Take a full-length picture of yourself(wearing underwear or a swimsuit (sans pattern)). This photo should be taken at about chest height to give you best the angle and easily discernible shape. This needs to be a full length photo. While you can enlist a friend or family member to help you with this, you can also use your phones nifty self timer function to do this yourself. And if you don’t have a small tripod, then stack a few books on your counter to get your phone to chest level. It may take a few tries, but can be done. Just make sure your phone is at a 90 degree angle to the floor and not tilted! (see below image). Also, be sure to use the rear facing camera.
- A pen and paper to write down your responses. As we have discussed this is not a “general” quiz and you need to be exact about your responses. We will discuss how to record your responses shortly.
- A straight-on (non-selfie) face photo. Selfies and front-facing cameras can distort the lines of your face. So again, you will need to prop your phone up in line with your face (not lower or higher) and get a natural, face shot. Take a few photos, some smiling, and some neutral so you have some options.
- Release any bias (as best you can). Do not go into this test hoping for a specific type. Not only does that go against the main principles of the kibbe system, which is about embracing your unique qualities, but it will only lead to frustrations long term. You may need to re-think some of your answers, or even ask a friend for help you choose an answer as they may be able to evaluate your body with an outside perspective.
- Accept that this is not definitive and your the type you answer may need some tweaking. There are a lot of “kibbe experts” out there and there is a lot of misinformation (even given from David Kibbe himself). So, take the data you gain from the quiz, evaluate it, try out the suggestions, and then tweak as necessary.
How do I take a photo for the kibbe test?
- Do not wear an overly confining sports bra or a padded bra. Aim for a lightly lined, semi-supportive bra that doesn’t tweak the shape of your chest.
- Stand naturally with your shoulders back and head up.
- Use a rear-facing camera if you are using your phone.
- Keep the phone or camera at a 90 degree angle from the floor, so no tilting!
- Make sure you get a full head-to-toe shot
What will the kibbe test even look at?
The kibbe body test will be examining four main components of your body which are:
- Skeleton (bone structure)
- Body Flesh (how you flesh sits on your bones)
- Facial Bones/Structure
- Facial Flesh
There will be 15 questions that analyze different parts of your body and face and you will refer to the pictures you just took and compare them to the pictures in the test to choose the best answer.
And the answers will try to decipher your balance of yin (soft, rounded), and yang (angular, sharp).
Now, before you start tweaking your answers, know that all types have absolute bombshells within them. And this test is about embracing your body and not covering flaws. It is about embracing a style that enhances your essence. So whether you are a supermodel dramatic, or a Marilyn romantic, answer these questions for what you are, and not what you wish you could be.
Recording your answers:
Now, you may need some help deciphering your kibbe Id after you’ve taken this quiz. And generalities won’t cut it. And while my inbox and comment section is open to help you determine your type, it needs to be done with the correct data. So please record your answers as follows (this will also help you if you need some assistance down the line with typing issues).
Each section of the quiz has an overarching area we are looking at to decipher the answers. After each section record the question number and your answer.
Bone Structure/Skeleton: 1B 2C 3B
Or if you want to leave a comment with your answers for more guidance, then I suggest doing it as follows:
And also, please include your height! It helps to get a better visual and further narrow down your results.
NOTE: Comments are held for “moderation” so that we avoid any spammers. So, if you submit a comment and don’t see it right away, that is why. I try to answer any comments within a few days.
Important notes before you take the kibbe body test:
While the pictures and examples may help most people, for others they may confuse you more. So pay attention to both the written answers and explanations if you are stuck.
The example pictures were carefully chosen but it is impossible to get the exact same angle for every picture. Use the lines and annotations on the picture to help you see the scale and distinction between each answer.
Depending on the detail of each question and how hard it is to discern you may see one main image for the question, or individual sets of pictures for each answer.
Kibbe Body Test with Pictures
Part 1: Bone Structure/ Skeleton
In this section, we will be looking at your skeletal structure which directly relates to how clothes hang on your body. And this is one of the most important aspects of the kibbe body type system.
We are not only looking at the shape of your bones but also their length and proportions.
1. How long is your vertical line?
Remember when we talked about patience with this test? Well, it’s because a lot of these questions will need clarifications. Because you can’t possibly answer how long your vertical line is without knowing exactly what your vertical line is defined as.
Your vertical line can most simply be described as how tall you appear. In reality, it is not actually how tall you are, but rather your height in relation to your horizontal lines.
So for instance, you can have two people with the same height where one actually appears taller (when standing on their own).
Let’s look at the example below:
Both Megan Fox and Florence Pugh are 5ft 4 inches tall. Who looks taller? If you’re having trouble deciphering, cover up one of the women with your hand and then compare them as individual photos. Megan Fox clearly looks taller.
My vertical line is:
A. Long ( I look taller than I actually am)
B. Moderately long ( I look slightly taller than I actually am, but not by much)
C. Moderate ( I look to be my actual height)
D. Smallish ( I look slightly shorter than my height)
E. Petite ( I look shorter than I actually am)
Note: If you have a small head compared to your shoulders you will generally look taller. And if your head feels slightly larger than your shoulders you will look shorter.
If you’re struggling with this question, ask someone to guess your height from a photo and see how close they are.
2. What is the shape of your shoulders?
When evaluating your shoulder shape make sure you have good posture!
My shoulders are:
A. Narrow, Sharp –
These shoulders are angular and sharp. They have no curve or bluntness to them and form a sharp right angle. Lily-Rose Depp and Kiera Knightly are great examples of this shoulder style. Notice in the image how little space there is when the right-angle lines are drawn over their shoulders. But despite their angular shape, they also appear narrow or dainty. There is no prominent horizontal line on their shoulders.
Note the right angle lines on top of the example images and how sharp that shoulder transition is.
B. Blunt, Broad:
These shoulders are often blunt and somewhat broad. They command the same attention that sharp shoulders have, but they tend to have a softer edge and transition. You can see this easily by comparing the right-angle lines from answer A to answer B. B has a much blunter transition. Angelina Jolie is a great example of this. You’ll notice how much space there is on the right-angle lines, and how prominent their horizontal lines are in the image.
C. Even :
These shoulders are moderate or “even”. They have a balanced yin and yang that has no discernible dominant attribute. If you can’t identify your shoulder shape, this may be it.
D. Sloped, tapered
Sloped shoulders have a smooth curve from the neck to the shoulder. Because of this, they appear softer and less broad. But they can have some sharpness in the shoulder to arm transition. These shoulders still feel narrow and somewhat delicate.
E. Sloped, rounded
The sloped, rounded shoulders are soft and round. They are opposite of the A shoulders (sharp and narrow). No matter your weight, there is a curve to the shoulder transition.
3. How long are your arms and legs, and what shape are they?
When evaluating the length of your arms and legs you want to compare them to the length of your torso. This does not involve actually measuring your arms and legs in inches. And it is not dependent on your actual height.
It is possible to be tall and have short arms and legs proportionally speaking, and vice versa.
You will want to refer to the photo you took (taken at chest height) or take a new photo to get an accurate answer.
Also when looking at the answers, note the horizontal lines that show where the fingertips end and can be used to more clearly see where they hit in relation to the knee.
A. Elongated, narrow
Your arms and legs are long and narrow. In regards to your skeleton (not the flesh), you have delicate, thin elbows, wrists, and ankles. Your fingertips will reach further than halfway down your thighs.
B. Elongated, broad
Your arms and legs are still super long, but they have a broad quality to them. You don’t have thin or super-defined ankles, wrists, and joints. But your fingertips will reach about halfway down your thighs.
C. Moderate, evenly proportionate to your torso and height
You have proportionate arms and legs compared to your torso and your fingertips hit just about halfway down your thigh. Your body doesn’t feel overly broad or dainty.
D. Small, somewhat short
Your arms and legs are slightly shorter compared to your full body. Your fingertips don’t reach halfway down your thigh. Your legs don’t feel long (especially in flats).
E. Small, very short proportionally to height and torso
You give the appearance of being short even if you are not. Compared to your torso, your arms and legs are shorter and your fingertips hit above your mid-thigh, probably close to the bottom of your butt.
4. What are the size and general shape of your hands and feet?
My hands and feet are:
A. Long and narrow
Both the palms and fingers are long, and they will feel larger in comparison to your face
B. Large and broad
These hands are also big in comparison to the face, but they have more width to them. (wider than answer A)
C. Moderate, neither large nor small
These hands seem proportionate to the face, and they are usually identified by what they are not. They are not large, and they are not small.
D. Small, narrow, delicate
These hands have a delicate quality to them and they are smaller compared to the face. They have more length than width to them.
E. Small, slightly wide
These hands are small compared to the face, but they have more width than answer D. They do not feel delicate because of the width.
Having trouble identifying this? Take your own picture of your hand next to your face and compare! Make sure you use your rear-facing camera (no selfies!) and that your camera lens is in line with your face (not tilted)
And if you’re wondering how to tell if your hands are broad, it can help to look at how far the bones on the base of your hands stick out compared to your wrist and fingers.
Part 2: Body Flesh
In this part of the kibbe body test, we will be examining how your flesh lays on your body. It is important to note that when we discuss flesh we are no discussing weight or “fat”. But rather how your skin looks over your muscles and bones.
A great example of this is Gigi Hadid, who despite being very thin has a round face with full cheeks. Similarly, one could be curvier with sharp cheekbones.
This part of the test will also examine how your bust, waist, and hips (with flesh) compare to one another.
Remember the kibbe test is all about the balance between yin ( soft, rounded) and yang (sharp, angled). You will need to pay attention to the subtlety of your flesh and you’ll need your photo handy!
5. What is the overall shape of your body?
The black lines should help you compare the hips, waist, and shoulders more easily.
A. Long and lean
This body type has no defined curves and a waist that is straight. Your hips are narrow and your bust is probably average or small. There is little definition with this shape, and it still appears narrow.
B. Broad and tends to have a muscular look
The most prominent trait in this body shape is broadness. There is barely any definition between the shoulders, waist, and hip area. If this body type is overweight they appear more stocky. They don’t usually have a pronounced chest.
C. Moderate, proportionate
This body type is symmetrical and only subtly defined. There is some definition of the waist (but not like an hourglass), and your shoulders and hips are about even. This is the “not curvy” “not straight” body type.
D. Shapely, soft hourglass (not extremely defined)
This body type has a defined waist but is not considered voluptuous. They have a defined waist and rounded hips and bust, but they have angular aspects to their shoulders. When they gain weight they tend to look curvier. Their frame makes them lean towards hourglass, but they don’t have the extra flesh on their bust and hips to categorize them as lush.
E. Rounded edges, lush, clearly defined hourglass shape
For this body type, you have a clearly defined hourglass shape and all your attributes are rounded. You have a defined waist and pronounced bust and hip that still feel soft because of the rounded edges to your body. If you’re thin, you still have rounded edges and won’t have angular shoulders or hips.
6. What is the shape of your bust/upper torso?
When discussing your bust line it is about the overall shape of your chest and the flesh around it (upper back flesh, and side flesh). The cup size is irrelevant and should not be considered a defining characteristic.
However, because your weight gain/loss can affect your bust-line, please read the descriptions carefully to see which answer you best fit into.
A. Flat, taut, small
Even when you gain weight, your bust stays the same. Very flat, and little definition to this bust for answer A.
B. Wide and broad, but still small
This bust-line tends to be flat, not full, and smaller in size. Similar to answer A but with a broader width. You have no perceivable cleavage, even when gaining weight.
C. Moderate, even
This bust-line is not full but not flat. Weight gains can accumulate in the bust in this body type. The bust is round and semi-full ( a handful), but doesn’t have cleavage lines.
D. Curved and Shapely, full
You have a prominent bustline and your chest is fairly round. You will have some cleavage at the top and if you gain weight your chest will most likely get bigger. However, you are still moderate in terms of bust size. Your bust is more prominent than your waist.
E. Prominent, Busty
Whether you are thin or heavy you have a prominent bust line that has a very discernible cleavage line and shape. You have a larger bust that requires more support and can’t go without a bra.
7. What is the shape of your waistline?
A. Elongated, “boyishly tapered” ( weight gain will not change this)
This waist is long and straight but not broad. It tends to have a boyish figure because the waist isn’t defined in comparison to the bust and hips. Even if you gain weight you still have little to no curves.
B. Elongated, but broad
This waistline feels long in comparison to the rest of the body with little definition. However instead of “boyishly tapered” this waistline feels broad and not as petite as answer A.
C. Moderate, slightly defined
If you are having trouble deciding where you fit in terms of waistline, you could be moderate. This means you have some waist definition and it feels directly proportionate to your bust, shoulders, and hips. It isn’t overly straight, elongated, or defined. A gentle slope inwards at the waist.
D. Very small in comparison to your waist, hips, and shoulders
This waistline is clearly defined but not very round. It will have sharper edges that angle inwards to clearly highlight the petiteness of the waist (in comparison to the bust and hips)
E. Slightly defined, but still broad and has a round quality
This waistline is gently defined but doesn’t have any sharp angles. It has rounded edges and because of this can feel wider than answer D.
8. What is the overall shape of your hips?
(Remember this is in relation to the rest of your body)
A. Straight, narrow, tapered
Your hips don’t have any definition and feel narrow. If you gain weight it can collect in your hips, but they won’t feel any more “defined”
B. Fairly straight, slightly tapers in, but also slightly wide
Your hipline is straight and feels wide. If you gain weight it will probably collect here.
C. Moderate, in comparison to bust and hips
Your hips are moderate and balanced compared to your bust and waist. If you have trouble identifying the shape of your you are most likely moderate. You can have hips dip with this hip shape.
D. Rounded and shapely, more pronounced than waistline
No matter your weight you have pronounced hips. This type has some softness to their shape and feels larger in comparison to your waist.
E. Extremely soft and rounded
You have rounded hips that appear fleshy and soft no matter if you gain or lose weight. They create a soft S shape from your waist to your hips.
9. How would you describe the flesh on your upper arms and thighs?
The easiest way to test this is to pinch the skin around your upper arms. I work out frequently and have toned arms, but the flesh on my upper arms is not taut, and not overly fleshy. So I would pick C.
This question can be difficult to pinpoint if you are overweight. A general rule will be if you are heavier but the flesh on your upper arms and thighs tends to be lean for a person of your weight, you might want to pick A or B. And likewise, if you are thin but you have soft fleshy arms and thighs you can pick D or E. And if you are somewhere in the middle, you can pick C.
The kibbe system takes so many factors into consideration it can be difficult to pinpoint at times where you fall.
I can describe my upper arm and thigh flesh as:
A. Long, slender, lean for your weight ( if thin there will be no flesh to pinch, if heavier you may have some flesh but it will be minimal for your weight)
B. Elongated; looks muscular. There is little flesh to pinch if any.
C. Moderate: You fall somewhere in the middle. You might be able to pinch some flesh on your upper arms or thighs, but not much and it doesn’t feel lean or fleshy for your size.
D. Soft, but some definition, slightly shorter in proportion: You will have some fleshiness and softness to your upper thighs and upper arms, but your arms will still have some definition to their shape.
E. Very soft, slightly wide, fleshy: Your upper arms and thighs feel fleshy and soft. They may appear wider because of this and you can probably pinch a fair amount of skin despite your weight.
Part 3: Facial Features
For this section, we will be examining your facial features. For the easiest and most accurate photos, I suggest taking a non-selfie photo with little to no makeup on. Make sure you have good light and no strong shadows.
We will examine the shape of each of the features of your face, both their structure and how the flesh lays on it.
10. My jawline is:
A. Sharp; either very pointed or angular and square
You have strong angles to your jawline and there is no bluntness present. The green lines indicate how sharp the transitions from jawbone to the jaw, to the chin are.
B. Blunt and slightly wide, can feel broad
They have a squareness and broad quality to this jaw. They can have the same strong lines as answer A but they have bluntness to their edges. They have a yang dominance (like answer A) but with a little yin, especially around the chin and back jawbone.
C.Moderate; neither wide, sharp nor distinctly round
You have both some sharpness and some roundness but neither is dominant. If you’re really struggling to see your jawline shape in any of the other answers, this may be you.
D. Delicate, tapered/sloped, slightly narrow
The key defining aspect of this jawline is narrowness. They can have some sharpness (yang) to them but are predominantly yin because of the sloped shape and narrowness.
E. Rounded, softly broad
You have no sharp angles to your jaw and there is softness with each transition (from jaw to chin, and jaw to ear). Because of the roundness, it can appear broader than answer D.
NOTE: Please remember that these reference images have been chosen to best accurately reflect the traits for each answer. However, celebrities often use contour or have plastic surgery to adjust their facial features. So compare your types to celebrity pictures with caution.
11. What is the shape of my nose?
My nose is:
A. Sharp or prominent
Your nose has strong angles, it can be large but is not broad. It usually has a “long” feel to it because of the sharp, narrow qualities.
B. Broad or Blunt, can be on the larger side
You have a broader nose that has a wide, flatter bridge. Your nose can be prominent or large but is softer and wider than answer A.
Your nose can be described as in the middle. It’s not large or small or very rounded or sharp.
D. Delicate, tapered, narrow
This nose feels small and delicate. It does not have visual width. And can feel slightly small on the face.
E. Rounded or softly wide
You have a rounded nose and a rounded bridge (unlike answer B that has a flatter, broader bridge). This creates a soft width in your nose. This nose does not feel large on the face.
12. What is the shape of your cheekbones?
For this question, we are looking at the shape of the actual bones (not the flesh). Referring back to your photo should help you see the shape, but you can also feel your cheekbones to see how prominent they are compared to your cheeks and how rounded or sharp they feel.
A. High and Prominent
B. Wide, blunt
D. Delicate, narrow, with slightly rounded edges
E. Rounded, full, soft
13. What is the shape of your eyes?
A. Narrow, straight, closely spaced
B. Narrow, straight, widely spaced
C. Evenly Spaced, Moderate Size
D. Rounded or upturned, slightly close together
E. Very round and very large
14. What is the shape of your lips?
My lips are:
A. Straight, narrow
These lips might be considered “thin” even when I’m not smiling.
B. Straight, strong broad
These lips are wide but not full.
These lips have some shape so they are not straight but they are not very full.
D. Slightly full and has some roundness
These lips have some shape and fullness to them, and soft rounded edges to them. Often a fuller bottom lip, and average top lip.
E. Very full and very rounded
These lips are usually full on the top and bottom and could be considered “pillowy” lips. They have round edges.
For this answer, you need to look at your lips when they are in a neutral (not-smiling) position. You should also avoid comparing your lips to societal standards to get an accurate answer. Right now, larger lips are very trendy so our own perception of “medium” or “large” lips may be biased or inaccurate.
15. How would you describe the flesh on your cheekbones?
You might be thinking, wait! Didn’t I already ask this? But how much flesh you have on top of your cheekbones can alter how prominent they are and the overall shape of your face. For this question look at a picture of you smiling to see how much volume your flesh creates. You can also smile and feel your cheekbones and see how much flesh you can pinch.
A. Flat, taught (even when overweight)
B. Fairly tight or muscular; can get puffier if you put on weight
C. Moderate; can be gently soft
D. Soft and fleshy, if you gain weight your cheeks seem to get even fuller
E. Very round and fleshy ( no matter weight fluctuations)
Kibbe Body Test: Answers Explained
To properly score your test look at the majority of the answers for each section. It is possible to have some outlier answers and still see what kibbe Id category you fit into. Also, be sure to look at the charts to see where your ID fits in with contrast and yin/yang balance.
Majority A answers- Dramatic
If you got mostly A answers for all three sections then you’re a pure Dramatic (D). This ID has a yang dominance and is long, lean, and angular.
If you have predominantly A answers with a few E or D answers then you’re a Soft Dramatic (SD). Your E and D answers are probably in the flesh and facial features categories. Your body and face are yang dominant and angular, but you have may have some yin, softness to the flesh on your bone structure, or your facial features.
Majority B answers- Natural
If you have predominantly B answers under all three sections then you are a kibbe pure Natural (N). Your bone structure, facial features, and flesh are all elongated, broad, and blunt in comparison to one another. Your body has a yang dominance but is not as extreme and angular as the dramatic kibbe ID.
If you have mostly B answers with a few A answers then you are Kibbe’s Flamboyant Natural (FN). Your bone structure is long and lean but your flesh and facial features have a broad and blunt look to them.
If you have predominantly B answers with a few D or E answers then you are considered a Soft Natural (SN). Your bone structure will be broad, slightly blunt, and overall elongated. But your flesh and face lean more towards the yin side and have a softness to them.
Majority C Answers- Classic
If you have predominantly C answers under all three sections (bone structure, flesh, and facial features) then you are a pure Classic (C ). Your features are blended and very balanced. For more information on blend versus contrast, check the kibbe Id system here.
If you have predominantly C in the body flesh and facial features sections with a few A or B answers for bone structure, then you are a Dramatic Classic (DC). You have very proportionate, even faces and flesh, but your bone structure has some yang dominance.
If you have predominantly C answers for the bone structure/skeleton section but have several D or E answers under body flesh and/or facial features, then you are a kibbe Soft Classic (SC). Your bone structure is very balanced and proportionate but you have some softness and yin to your face and flesh.
Mostly D or E Answers- Romantic
If you have predominantly E answers under all three sections then you are a Kibbe pure Romantic ( R ). Your skeleton, flesh, and face all have yin dominance that exhibit softness, rounded edges, also known as lush yin. [kibbe body types explained]
If you have predominately D answers, you are a Theatrical Romantic (TR). Your bone structure, flesh, and face all lean towards the yin side of the spectrum, but not as strictly as the pure Romantics.
You can also be a theatrical romantic if you have predominantly E or D answers with a few A answers. Your A answers will mostly show up in the bone structure or facial features but you will maintain softness in your flesh and shape.
Mixture of A/B answers and D/E answers- Gamine
If you got a generally even mix of opposite answers A/B and D/E then your kibbe id is Gamine (G). You are a combination of yin and yang and can display these traits in different parts of your body, flesh, and face.
If your results have a mix of A/B and D/E answers but with slightly more A or B answers then your kibbe Id would be the Flamboyant Gamine (FG). Your individual features can be placed distinctly in the yin or yang category (not blended) but overall your body tends to have some angles and sharpness. Your body becomes toned easily which highlights your angular silhouette. No matter your weight fluctuations you never really have curves
If your results have a mixture of answers but you have more D/E answers than A/B then you are a kibbe Soft Gamine (SG). You have a mixture of yin and yang across all three sections- skeleton, flesh, and facial features. You could have a bit more roundness in your facial features. You probably get more round from weight gain and working out doesn’t overly define your muscles.
Do you have more questions about your ID and what it means in terms of style?
What are the benefits of knowing your Kibbe ID?
The kibbe body system is all about dressing to fit your body’s natural lines and working with your body instead of against it. It teaches you to style yourself in the most flattering silhouettes and why some silhouettes go against your natural lines.
I personally believe you can make almost all new fashion trends work for your kibbe ID by making small tweaks to the balance and emphasis of each look. However, if you’re struggling with style, your kibbe body type will give you some easy fashion wins.
Can your kibbe ID change?
According to David Kibbe himself, your ID cannot change. He recommends evaluating your body ID after you are 25, to get the most accurate results.
However, if you’re asking my opinion I believe your ID can change over time. It won’t change dramatically, but it can fluctuate between types if you are already a borderline ID. Hormones, pregnancy, and age can all affect the shape of your body skeleton, and flesh.
And while it’s not a perfect system, I believe the information and understanding of your own body are tremendously helpful in your style evolution.
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Now, go be your best-dressed self!
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